http://www.warwickdailynews.com.au/news/church-elders-covered-rape-young-girl/3047470/.
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I am with you 100% Flipper!! Where has this judge been buried in the sand. Until they start putting these perverts behind bars for life where they belong the message will never get across.
Stuckinarut, yes Elders who do not report are accessory to the fact.
i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.
i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.
i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.
Believer,
"I meant that we cannot experience spiritual things through our 5 physical/animal senses – seeing, hearing, tasting, smelling, and touching. But humans have an additional sense. Some call it intuition, or the 6th sense. This 6th sense is how we perceive spiritual things. The 5 senses are objective and can be authenticated in a way that others readily accept, i.e., they can taste, touch, see, hear, smell it too. But the 6th sense is subjective. It is a personal understanding or epiphany or revelation. One person cannot prove their personal spiritual revelations to another. He may be able to articulate it, but authenticating it can only occur if the other person is also able to perceive it through their 6th sense. But a spiritual revelation is just as real to a person who uses that sense as are the things perceived with the animal senses. Its kind of like love. If I love someone, I know it. But everyone else will just have to take my word for it. "
I totally understand and agree with you about the 6th sense. I feel it very deeply, it has given me deep strength to carry on in life.
Here is a statement that takes a lot of thought because a lot of people will not understand the meaning of it.
Are you walking with God or are you making the appearance of walking with God?
How many people attend a KH, church or any place of worship and the minute they leave they forget the basic rules set forth by their Supreme Being for moral conduct. Love one another, giveto those less fortunate, lying, honor thy mother and father, you know the list.
jw's want to begin a study through their new "what does the bible really teach?
" book.
should a non-jw study with them just to point out the contradictions and muddled thinking in the book?
Never a JW I learned the hard way. You are only allowed to ask questions that conform to their way of thinking. If you waver from their way of thinking the answer is "Good bye, have a nice life "
If you would like read my intro to this forum. I asked the wrong questions after 5 years.
i’ve been reading it for a few of years off and on, but have been a little too ... maybe ... timid to join.
i left the watchtower organization almost 20 years ago but never abandoned my faith and belief in god.
i knew the gb/organization didn’t represent god, so when i lost my faith in them, i managed to keep my faith in an all wise benevolent creator.
Believer,
Never a JW, raised a Lutheran and gave up on religion at the age of 50. I now believe very strongly in God or a Supreme Being and I am very spiritual. I cannot say that I believe in all of the Bible.
I believe that God if he had created Religion he would have created one religion so all of these religions are man made.
I believe that God wants us all to love one another and live in peace. We should take care of each other and help the less fortunate.
I know that something much stronger then me has held me up through some mighty tough struggles in my life and he has given me the strength to carry on. We have walked this path together for 65 years and I am not letting go anytime soon.
Why I believe or what I believe may not be written in a book or have an exact name but it gets me through daily life.
For me I accept other people's beliefs unless they are harmful to people like the JWS. I have been a life long advocate for children, women and gays.
something struck me the other day.. elders are told to maintain confidentiality with regard to the details of judicial cases or congregation "discipline" in an attempt to dignify individuals etc.. this is even the case for known child abusers!.
yet, if they suspect someone of being an "apostate", for instance being a member on this forum, they will spread such information far and wide, through the witness "grape vine" to congregations miles away (or even in other countries).
so, does that mean they place more importance on "apostasy" rather than child abuse?.
Never a JW but after watching the ARC and 5 years of experience with the "Elder" are they NOT confused as to what is truth and what is a lie oops theocratic warfare. I mean they are so used to lying it becomes second nature. I would not trust them with any piece of information nor would I trust any information that came out of their mouth. Sorry. Just my personal experience.
the watchtower has always been deceptive in that it kinda says what sounds right - but what it really means is obvious to the rank and file.like in the x-files when the gov keeping "plausible denial" at all times.. this month highlights an article to help parents - "teaching children to obey".. https://www.jw.org/en/publications/magazines/g201505/teach-children-obedience-bible/.
first off that phrase offends me - i know the wt feels children are "arrows" for fathers to aim, and not people who are to be nurtured to become their own unique person making choices that are right for them when they mature.
and - they love the word obey!
Thank you ttdtt,
Never a JW, I never struck my children once when they were growing up and they are 2 very fine young adults today. I got many compliments on their manners and both of them when they recently were hired both were promoted within less then 90 days.
by reliable sources, bethel us has recorded in 3 years:.
- 80 "out of the closet" confirmed.
- 200 departures requested by bethelites, where same reason is suspected.. - 20 censured ones "returning to the flock".
Steve2,
Tell me why every man I find that is fabulous in every way, so nice to the women and great looking and personalities that are wonderful turn out to be gay.
the meeting this week is mind-blowing in the way it fuels the crippling "persecution complex" of witnesses!.
paragraph 1 set the theme with this gem:.
does it shock you that you can expect to face many tribulations before you gain the prize of everlasting life?
Thanks for bringing this back. I was not here when this first appeared but this was definitely the "Elders" attitude at the time and I was getting a tad bit tired of Satan!!
i saw two brothers this morning next to the main train station in liverpool city centre this morning.
they were not actively approaching anyone.
what i found strange was that they were from a cong that has different territory, so i don't know why they were there.. anyway i knew them both, and they know i was df'd, i was in my car and couldn't park up for a chat, but i did beep and wave to them as i drove passed and they waved back.
Never a JW. I have yet to see a cart but to date since learning TTATT here is my score card.
1. My friend owns one of the largest gas stations in this area in front of a large strip mall. There were always JWS handing out literature there. I waited till a couple was picking up literature and I asked about education, extra curriculum and children socializing. Then I reminded him he could find the CORRECT answers on pages ... of the Family booklet. Please review your Bible about lying. This guy peeled rubber off the parking lot and there has not been a JW insight on any part of this strip mall since.
2. Two Special Pioneers rang my door bell the day of the Memorial. You can read all about it, they tried to escape but they got a good anti-witnessing for 30 minutes. Hopefully I planted some seeds in these young folks.
3. About a month later a young Elder, his wife and their stroller with an infant rang my door bell. Again you can read all about it, I would have kept them longer but had to get to a Dr appt.
Yes, yes I will approach if I can plant a seed and keep 1 child out of a KH it is well worth my time. I LOVE children not just my children ALL children. I have spent all my spare time when not working donating my time to benefit children. I cannot tolerate seeing children hurt sexually, physically or emotionally.
The same goes for women.
Kingdom Hall
Men's Only Club
i know this is an old topic, but it came to mind again.... yes it is appropriate for people to dress neatly and respectfully for a dignified religious gathering, but why does it have to be a full suit with collared shirt and tie?.
why does it have to be a full dress or skirt and jacket?.
sure, we would find it distasteful for a person to arrive in swimwear or work overalls or other inappropriate attire, but why does it have to conform to strict standards?.
Sparrowdown,
If we lived in the same area I would go with you, I have a great pair of tight jeans.
Besides I have never seen the inside of a KH. LOL
